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  1. 14 points
    I know nobody really cares - but I had a run in with Paul about 9-10 months ago on another board. I don't understand that man. We had an issue about politics and we basically got to the point where he was threatening to have me walked out of my job in hand-cuffs. (He said he had that amount of power). Other than laughing very hard - I was just blown away by the smugness of this individual. You could cut it with a knife. What bothers me is that this is a weather forum... (And in this instance, a Covid-19 thread- with an amazing amount of information). From what I could tell he got a lot of accolades on this forum over the past 6 months or so.. And now, he appears to have gone downhill again b/c of disgusting comments. This is a forum for ALL... Each of us have different life experiences, and different beliefs. At the end of the day, that's what makes these boards so interesting to read. We all offer interesting perspectives that we all should think about. When I pick juries, I encounter ALL walks of life in the borough of Brooklyn. And Brooklyn, for example has changed quite a bit. From speaking to my colleagues who have been picking juries for over 20 years to myself, you can tell the borough has changed and continues to change.. I find voir dire one of the most interesting parts of a trial - you're trying to get into someone's head - and feel them out- quickly. You've never met this person but need to make a very important assessment of who this person is and their possible prejudices. The same goes on here.. I don't know anyone here personally - but through our exchanges, you quickly learn who leans this way or that way... And that is great - but when people like PB start to bully people left and right and then start ranting and raving about certain American cities and NYC itself, in a despicable manner, I have to wonder, where this guy's brain really is? NYC is a wonderful city that has gone through so many changes it's hard to even comprehend. Does he forget what NYC went through in the 70's and 80's. 1990, I think had 2000+ murders. Crack was everywhere. Yes, Giuliani changed things for the better, crime wise, and NYC began it's transformation. However, if you ask ANYONE who's 55+ years old, they'll tell you that NYC while LESS dangerous today, is NOT the city it once was. It's basically become ONE large strip mall - the uniqueness of many parts of the city has disappeared. Every area has been gentrified. This really took off after 9/11. Look at the Hudson Yards... What the hell is that - a multi-billion corporate circus. There is NOTHING unique about it.. It's like a Vegas style shopping center, in the middle of Manhattan, but not on 5th Ave. - as far as I understand it. The bottom line is that the City has had many of the problems PB and other complain of for years. If you know anything about crime rates, they've come down throughout the nation on multiple levels for decades. Criminologists have been studying it for years, as of late b/c it's fascinating. So it's not just a NYC phenomenon. Yes, BDB appears to a bumbling idiot to me. Was Bloomberg better, probably- but I don't live in NYC - i only work there 3-4 days a week in a very specific area. I can't speak intelligently on the topic- I can only give my limited perspective. And that's PB's problem. He (and so many others) present a perspective, detailing all these problems that NYC (and other cities have) into MAJOR political issues, when in reality, there is much more to the story. It's not always Left and Right - i'm sorry. We live in this insane world where everything is looked through this prism and the reality isn't that simple. The internet and especially social media have allowed it to get this way though as most are unwilling to read anything more than 280 characters. I just wish that a guy like PB could leave his stupid prejudices at the door step before marching into a forum like this and spewing his hatred. It's uncalled for and lessens the value of such a venue. I hope he can reform, and be invited back - as his opinions, when he's NOT on a rampage, while sometimes caustic and blunt, should still be welcome. JMO..
  2. 11 points
    Sorry guys! Have mostly gone MIA as my schedule has gotten busier again as we’ve returned more to normal. In obviously very encouraged by the improvements made in the nyc metro area and continued decrease in deaths and prevalence of COVID. On the hospital side there are still huge reverberations occurring with the day to day operations leading to things appearing drastically different than before the pandemic. Luckily very few new cases day to day here which is not surprising given the total positives statewide are around 1000
  3. 11 points
    The use of racial slurs (regardless of context) or homophobic remarks will result in an immediate ban. We lost 3 people this morning. Let's be better.
  4. 10 points
    Well, it's official -- or as official as these things go. My mom's and my sisters' antibody tests came back positive. Their symptoms began with a cough and a low-grade fever on March 24; about 7 days in, they lost their appetite and became lethargic to the point that my mom could barely get off the couch. Thankfully, none had the respiratory distress that so many have had. What scared me at the time is that all three have one comorbidity -- hbp -- and my mom has three: age, diabetes, and hypertension. Keeping my fingers crossed for immunity. I do wonder if there is something to that early Chinese study that raised questions about blood type playing some kind of factor in how people fight off the virus. My mom is O- and all of us siblings are O+. And a thank you to everyone here; this forum kept me mildly sane throughout.
  5. 9 points
    On this day, we honor all who gave their lives in the nation’s wars so that we could live and be free. Many monuments have been erected to these courageous warriors who paid the supreme price for us. They deserve all that and much more. Today, we should also remember a new generation of warriors who gave their lives so that we could live: our nation’s medical personnel, first responders, and other essential workers. They fought a war that was fought all across the nation against an invisible enemy. That virus targeted everybody everywhere in the most indiscriminate fashion. We should also remember the local businesses that have already fallen—some fairly young, others long-time presences in the community. The hearts of communities everywhere bear unspeakable grief for what has already been lost. At the same time, these losses have not been in vain. There will be a better future. That has been the story of humanity since the dawn of history. That story will go on. Many more chapters remain to be written. Those chapters will again be filled with the substance that makes life precious and living so fulfilling. Group gatherings, laughter among playing children, restaurants bustling with activity with all kinds of wonderful aromas spilling out onto the streets, and nail and hair salons beautifying the world one person at a time, will again become a part of life and living.
  6. 8 points
    Corporatism has stolen the uniqueness of many cities, especially NYC. You can travel from NYC to SF - on I80 today, and the ubiquity of everything along the way (store wise) is almost out of this world. Each city, while different - offers many of the same experiences and it just wasn't like that 50 years ago. It's made our country a lot smaller. There are a lot of pluses to it, but cheapened a lot too. But yes, I've always said the same thing as you- you can work, in retail, construction, the restaurant industry or be a hedge fund guy- whatever. To me we're all the same. Each job is unique and difficult in it's own right. The income differences are immense, but if you're a relatively intelligent person (and you don't have to be college educated to be intelligent) - you offer a unique perspective that the other person doesn't necessarily have. I've met very wealthy carpenters, and contractors. They don't wear a suit, but their craft is amazing and second to none. People are so quick to judge it's simply incredible. But look, many people are stupid - it's just a fact of life. Most people talk too much and refuse to listen. It's a lost art.
  7. 7 points
    Its amazing how this country can't nominate a young candidate.
  8. 6 points
    Everyone makes them. You're pretty close to perfect though.
  9. 6 points
    Kinda separates myself from things for a while. Mental health has improved. Taking some days out at the Camp with the family. Good shot of fishing with my youngest. hope all are safe and healthy.
  10. 6 points
    As far as the strip mall references, the whole country has turned into one. It isn't just NYC. I don't know if there's really anything anyone could have done about it. As far as ripping one's way of making a living... This is one thing I never touch. Any job can be a hard job at times. As long as one is making an honest living, I don't go there, whether you're a meteorologist, a lawyer, a CEO, or a supermarket cashier, etc.
  11. 6 points
    I was born and raised in NYC. Grew up in Harlem and Washington Heights. Thank god stop and frisk was nipped, because it directly affected people who look like m (I experienced it). I'm Dominican btw. NYC is nowhere near what it was in the 1990s, when we had record homicides, the stories my dad used to tell me about the 90s would make today's problems look petty. Homeless problem is real but other cities are facing similar issues and it has to be addressed, but I love this city, and I'm staying here until further notice.
  12. 6 points
    For the NYC Metro Region as well as coastal sections north and east, a blend of last night's computer guidance begins to cast strong doubts as to the idea that this summer will average out to be a warmer than normal or warmer than average summer. When you see the ridge over the central and western portions of the country continually unable to build eastward and a repeated renewal of the northwesterly flow aloft across the northeastern states it lights up a red flag for the idea of much if any heat. Thoughts may eventually turn to whether or not we can even get to 85 or 90 degrees and not how many days on which we will do it. Even with that flow, eventually we could see widely scattered days of temperatures reaching the mid-upper 80s. Time will tell, but IMO right now the idea of a cooler/wetter than average summer is gaining weight. WX/PT
  13. 6 points
    Lots of misinformation out there on there being "little risk" of being infected outside. That's mostly wrong. the risks are only reduced from touching surfaces (which is only a minor transmission route), as the sun's UV rays will deactivate virus particles in minutes. However, the risk of person to person transmission is about the same inside or outside. The sun's UV rays will not instantly deactivate virus particles coming from another person's sneeze/cough/breath in the second or two it takes for them to reach you, assuming they're close by. It takes almost 7 minutes to deactivate 90% of SARS-CoV-2 with simulated summer solstice 40N sunlight (best case), meaning almost none of it would be deactivated in the 1-2 seconds it takes virus-laden droplets to go from person A to person B. So please keep wearing masks and practicing social distancing, especially if you're not wearing a mask, to protect both yourself and others, in case you're infected. https://academic.oup.com/jid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/infdis/jiaa274/5841129 Previous studies have demonstrated that SARS-CoV-2 is stable on surfaces for extended periods under indoor conditions. In the present study, simulated sunlight rapidly inactivated SARS-CoV-2 suspended in either simulated saliva or culture media and dried on stainless steel coupons. Ninety percent of infectious virus was inactivated every 6.8 minutes in simulated saliva and every 14.3 minutes in culture media when exposed to simulated sunlight representative of the summer solstice at 40oN latitude at sea level on a clear day.
  14. 5 points
    That's the point behind masks and social distancing - if everyone does those things, like in much of Asia, we'd be able to open just about everything back up and only have a trickle of cases and the occasional hotspot that fast testing and quick tracing with isolations could stamp out quickly. It's not hard if people aren't stupid, but my fear is we have way too many people who either don't believe in the science or simply don't care about their fellow humans, but even then, there's simply no way we're going to see a 2nd wave as bad as the first one, since at least half the population is not going to just stop their interventions. What we're very likely to see is a long, slow burn with hotspots, where that long, slow burn in areas with half or more people practicing masks/SD will have pretty low rates of infection, whereas areas that have much less masks/SD could get pretty bad, especially in their densely populated areas and especially since most of the rest of the US only has maybe 1-4% infected vs. 10-20% infected for much of the NE US from DC to Boston (less targets here). Even with that, we could be looking at 500 deaths per day, still, for the foreseeable future, which is still 15.000 per month or 180K in a year. Not trivial.
  15. 5 points
    CNN reported, “... there does not appear to be a growing push at the White House to encourage mask wearing, even though the administration's own public health experts have stressed its importance.” https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/politics/face-masks-trump-mulvaney-wedge-issue/index.html This continuing historic rejection of science and embrace of ignorance is the principal reason that produced the Trump Administration’s disastrous failures to recognize the rising threat of COVID-19, fueled the President’s magical thinking that the virus would simply “disappear,” and its severe delays in mobilizing for the pandemic (testing, tracing, measures to mitigate the spread, etc.) The U.S. could have been Japan or South Korea. Both countries used different approaches: Japan emphasized heavy tracing; South Korea relied on extensive testing and tracing. Under either scenario, the U.S. death toll would be a fraction of what it actually is. Based on Japan’s per capita fatalities, the U.S. would have suffered fewer than 2,200 fatalities. Based on South Korea’s per capita fatalities, the U.S. would have suffered just under 1,750 fatalities. The excess over those figures is the direct responsibility of the failure of Presidential leadership that severely undermined the U.S. response right from the start. In turn, that dramatic leadership failure resulted in a much more severe economic downturn than would otherwise have occurred. The fallout from the Trump Administration’s failures will likely last far beyond the pandemic.
  16. 5 points
    Through all of this I finally lost it over someone insulting my 3 favorite cities in the USA nyc, Chicago, and New Orleans. I’ve lived in 2 and visit New Orleans every year. Cities may not be for everyone but these are some of the most amazing cities in the world. My apologies the attack was out of character and I was have a bad morning to begin with. Hope everyone lives in good health
  17. 5 points
    Sad to see. Paul is a smart guy and a good poster when he wants to be. Some people just can’t play well with others. as for Covid, seems like people are back to normal here. Backyard parties, weddings in the park, etc. LI opens this week so now we just try and manage whatever happens. I hope camp opens so my kids can get out of the house. They are going crazy
  18. 5 points
    Are suggesting our initial response - for instance, Geraldo Rivera stating on primetime news that a) hot water kills the virus, and b) if you breathe in deeply and don't cough you don't have it - was not up to task?
  19. 4 points
    Today's signs of the times as I headed back to work today for training. We reopen tomorrow. From a 4 train that would normally have been packed at the time (~8:45am)... ...to the sights of a barren FiDi... ...and the new reality of the MTA.
  20. 4 points
    City leadership needs to: - Create a plan to safely open beaches, just as NYS and others did; - Open up more streets (not just scattered blocks here and there) to pedestrian/bike traffic so we don't have cars cramming the streets while SD remains necessary; - Plan for restaurants to have outdoor dining to enhance SD as well; - Work with the MTA to ensure citizens that the system is safe to use with proper precautions; - Continue education on things like SD, masks, etc. without resorting to policing the hell out of everything The City Council has already called on BDB to work on several of these points.
  21. 4 points
    This was a story I wrote along with it. We are hanging in there. Still miss the parents and hemming and hawing on when or what we should do. “This morning my 5 year old got up early to go fishing with me. We quietly snuck around the cabin to grab a cup of coffee for me and some cocoa krispies for him. About 15 or so minutes into no luck fishing he turned to me and said, “Dad, I don’t really care if I catch anything, it’s just fun to fish and be with you.” In that moment I felt as though I was nailing this parent thing. 30 seconds or so later, I turned to see him taking a wiz right off the dock with a giant smile on his face. Yep, nailing it.”
  22. 4 points
    This, all the way. I don’t take much personally- and I bet you I am wrong more than I am right. I’ll tell you I lead a very comfortable existence. I don’t worry about where my next meal is coming from, my kids have all they need. We have a decent roof over our heads. But that’s not where I started. And it’s all so temporary, and relative. I grew up with nothing. The only bills that were paid were the ones marked “late” or “urgent.” Sometimes they even slipped through. We lived with family for many years - which was fun but posed its own challenges. I’ve had a net worth of $2 mil and I’ve filed chapter 7. I have never, ever demeaned anyone because of their trade. I have worked as a cashier, a landscaper, a retail sales clerk, a retail sales manager, a military hardware buyer, a teacher, a client relations manager, a councilman, a telemarketer, and a used appliance cleaner. Some friends still laugh when they find out my “retirement” plan is to cut grass all day with my push mower. Those “friends” are moved to my outer circle really quickly. FWIW, each part of my life, and the people I met, shared experiences and opportunities with me that I would never have otherwise had. They are all so valuable. I talk most of the day to people that own multiple $20 Mil + homes. There is one person I know of that started with nothing and worked and struck dumb luck and is now in that class. The others all inherited it, or sued their way in. You know immediately who is who by how they treat people. To circle back, I don’t take much personally. I am wrong more than I am right. But don’t insult anyone for working hard and making an honest dollar. That’s disgusting and goes far beyond a subjective “Non-PC insult.” @Jefflaw77 Thanks for sharing your experience. I’ll ask that we end the discussion on members that aren’t here any longer.
  23. 4 points
    wait but their wrong predictions were right, saw it all along didn’t you know? Never wrong Or something /s I hear you. Well said and completely agree. I have been beating the same drum. I weirdly have found it somewhat comforting and even surprising with rampant misinformation and a literal 17% trust in government here in 2020 the general majority have and continue to take it seriously over the noise.
  24. 4 points
    I was born and raised in NYC as well but in Brooklyn and that stop and frisk shit is the reason why I was arrested at 15 for no reason so I’m glad thats gone. I grew in pre gentrified Williamsburg when it was most Dominicans(which I am) and Puerto Rican and you’ll see cops run up on older ppl playing dominos in front of the bodega for no reason. But yeah tbh as much as I love NYC eventually rent prices are going to drive me out of here
  25. 4 points
  26. 4 points
    Some of us did, which is why we went into lockdown on 3/3, 1-2 weeks before almost everyone else, despite there being zero deaths in NY/NJ on 3/3 and there being 1 case between the two states - which is part of why politicians were saying things were ok, which they probably shouldn't have done, but it's at least understandable. Due to the historic failures of the Trump Administration to have testing in place (due to the CDC failures and inability to realize how important this was and get test kits from other countries), we had no idea there were tens of thousands of infected people, since we had no tests befrore 3/2 and <200 tests in NY on 3/7. If we had known and had strong Federal leadership on this National Security threat, we likely shut everything down 1-2 weeks earlier and save 40-80% of the lives lost.
  27. 4 points
    Essentially, Japan was so well prepared on the ground, they didnt need to shut down. The US didnt have that infrastructure in place, and still don't. Tweet is incredibly misleading. It's disgusting how political this has become, especially from the right wing. The conservatives have completely lost their minds. Has anyone heard the new right wing talking point that the corona virus was actually in the flu vaccine? I mean come on.
  28. 4 points
    I work in a STC/LTC facility. Nursing homes could have said they couldn't safely bring covid positive patients into their facilities but choose to do so for $$$. Also, where were the hospitals supposed to discharge these covid patients that weren't critical ill to? I'm talking about the ones that were too weak to go straight home. Hospitals needed space for patients in more serious condition. The entire thing was handled poorly. Cuomo should have come up with something else. The owners of nursing homes shouldn't have been so greedy. There should have been proper ppe for the staff at these places before they became a dumping ground. This was all a giant mess. With that said, NY still handled this better than the federal government.
  29. 4 points
    Quit drinking the liberal kool aide. There is no virus. On a serious note, how amazing would it be if all HC workers could be vaccinated by fall? Seems possible.
  30. 3 points
    Tis the season... Already had Arthur and Bertha so we're off to a hot start. 92L out in the open Atlantic (https://weather.us/satellite/546-w-263-n/satellite-color-super-hd-15min/20200529-2020z.html) might claim "Cristobal" first but it's no threat to land. Perhaps the first real issue of the season will emerge from the developing Central American Gyre? Some longer musings: https://blog.weather.us/could-we-see-the-third-tropical-cyclone-of-the-2020-season-form-in-the-gulf-of-mexico-next-week/
  31. 3 points
    Cuomo says NYC will reopen by June 8 Phase 1 is construction, curbside pickup for retail and agriculture. Phase 2 is barbershop and other retail stores but when barber shops open , the barbers have to get tested every 2 weeks and only appointments . Every phase is 2 weeks long Upstate is going into phase 2 already.
  32. 3 points
    Similar arguments being made around here with the barbers/salons too. Person saying they manage traffic at Lowe's with 10k going through, why can't we get a haircut by appointment, mask and distance? Or the mom and pop antique store that's lucky to get 50 people a day? Have to agree they aren't terrible arguments.
  33. 3 points
    I agree..100%. If phase 2 doesn't begin in some upstate areas, something would appear out of wack. The idea was always to FLATTEN THE CURVE.. We've clearly done that in NY and other surrounding states. The people who are getting upset over how this has progressed from Flattening the Curve to something else raise some very GOOD points.. People should be able to go to stores, in a limited way, and everyone should be required to wear masks inside establishments, and in large groups outside. My wife was asking about a library - why can't they open? How many people go to libraries??? My kids want to check out some other ACTUAL books, instead of online books.. Sometimes it's good to HOLD a book. 12 people go to our library a day. If 300 people can stand in line at a Costco in masks- reasonable solutions can be created for all sorts of commerce and other establishments. We have to be REASONABLE here.....
  34. 3 points
    So, I've mentioned this "cross-reactivity" a few times in the past 2 weeks, but haven't really elaborated on it much yet, other than the above post 2 wweks ago, as it's pretty complex and could easily be subject to errors and misinterpretation. I'm certainly not an expert in immunology, so paging maybe @wxmd529 or others can chime in here for comment. The first link is to a preprint from a group in Germany first noting this cross-reactivity and the 2nd link is to a peer-reviewed article in Cell (very prestigious journal) from a group from La Jolla, while the 3rd is to today's preprint on a similar topic (but a bit different) from a group in Singapore. The 4th link is to an article in Science about the first two articles, which is easier to follow. The first two papers discuss how people infected with the new coronavirus (CV2) harbor memory T cells (a subtype of white blood cells which are part of the "adapative immune system" and very important for immunity and vaccines) that target the virus, which likely helps them fight off the virus and recover. That was kind of expected, but the more interesting thing, in some ways, is that both studies also found some (roughly half - small studies) people who had never been infected with CV2 (samples from before 2019) have these cellular defenses, most likely because they were previously infected with other coronaviruses. The third link was just published as a preprint from a group in Singapore. They found that people who had been exposed to SARS had memory T-cells reactive to CV2 proteins and furthermore that 9 of 18 people never exposed to SARS or CV2 had memory T-cells reactive to CV2 proteins and they think that resulted from previous infections with animal betacoronaviruses. Obviously, as per the Cell paper and the Berlin paper and per this one, lots to think about with regard to whether and to what extent these findings mean some % of the population may either be immune to or only mildly affected by the novel coronavirus - do these findings help explain why so many people become infected but are asymptomatic? Are there a bunch more people who simply won't become infected by CV2 because of this cross-reactivity? The answer to the last question, in particular, is extraordinarily important to gauging the future impact of the pandemic, since these people wouldn't be showing up as positives in antibody testing of the population, but could significantly reduce the number of people who could become infected (and, of course become ill and/or die). I assume this is going to explode as an area of research. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.17.20061440v1 https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.26.115832v1.full.pdf https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity
  35. 3 points
    Trump's gross incompetence in leading any semblance of a Federal effort to prevent and combat this virus will go down as the single worst failure in the history of the United States of America. It's borderline criminal, even. The man is and always has been unfit to be POTUS. Full stop. By the way, to augment your post on Japan, mask culture is probably the biggest reason they've been able to keep the virus largely at bay so far (tracing was important too) with an estimated 95% complying with wearing masks and largely without being told as they've had a mask wearing culture for decades. The excerpt below is key, to me. "Three of the motivating factors that induce Japanese nationals to adhere are courtesy, obligation and shame. Courtesy is the willingness to act out of genuine concern for others. Obligation involves placing the needs of the group before those of oneself. Shame is fear of what others might think if one does not comply to group or societal norms. There is no shortage of courtesy among the silent majority of the West, as unlikely as that can sometimes seem. A sense of obligation also exists, but typically toward groups less large than society as a whole. Shame, on the other hand, is not a dominant Western trait. Additionally, in some regions of the West, anti-collectivist behavior can be a source of identity and pride. Not everyone within Japan plays the collectivist game. Personal observation suggests that present-day mask wearing runs at around 95 percent, but one wonders how those abstainers would respond if confronted by a TV crew. Probably with a sheepish reply. This differs from the United States, where mask-less demonstrators have been rejecting the notion of social distancing as anti-libertarian, as, indeed, has President Donald Trump himself." https://www.japantimes.co.jp/.../covid-19-versus.../... This Bloomberg article on Japan is also good. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-22/did-japan-just-beat-the-virus-without-lockdowns-or-mass-testing?fbclid=IwAR3SeyGj5vAcYrV0xVjqFO6E6tZzmf9KzFaDmsH6csRbT2riYlg3uY_bmak
  36. 3 points
  37. 3 points
    NJs last two day death total is under 75. Good grief, let the restaurants open already.
  38. 3 points
    our boys do that, I guess it’s instinct. I learned very early on not to yell or they turn around.
  39. 3 points
    Great post and by the way, we love NYC too and go in very often and are thinking of renting there for a year, just to live in the City (now that I'm retired); we also have about a dozen friends who live there and mostly love it. Great point on crime too, which continues to go down in NYC. PB was way out of line earlier - missed it all as I was enjoying the day. Was he banned?
  40. 3 points
  41. 3 points
    The Dems had some good “young” candidates. Mayor Pete, Klobuchar, Booker. I liked Biden but time has passed him by. Though I’d vote for a leftover ham sandwich than Trump
  42. 3 points
  43. 3 points
    It's a disenguous talking point. If anything they're still undercounting deaths but I'm really not going to get into that now.
  44. 3 points
    He was dog whistling. You aren't like him. And yes there is def a homeless problem. DeSantis has been messing with the numbers. We'll probably never know what the real numbers were in Florida.
  45. 3 points
    Yes you have. And I agree. It’s a ridiculous metric
  46. 3 points
    The Cares Act covered most of my remaining tuition.
  47. 3 points
    Few things are better than rolling thunderstorms at the shore.
  48. 3 points
    I think there will be a treatment before a vaccine. However it really would be nice to have either one in this calendar year.
  49. 3 points
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